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What does "place" mean?
Place of rest- place of education- place of public- place of religion- place of government- place of shopping- place of paths- place of landmark.

Place is the space which has special function that gives space character, and the specific owner that has effect on the character of that space. According to this explanation, place consist of the owner, which can be called as man, and space, which is the container of the man.
Farnaz Pakdel
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What does "place" mean?
"Place" (noun and verb) is the location of something in time or space or both.

"Genus Loci" or `the spirit of place` is probably what you mean. :)))
Frank John Snelling
What does "place" mean?
Place is a very easy-difficult term but mainly everyone defines place according to his perception. It's the container that contains time, feelings, reactions, thoughts.

You can define it physically with relation to surrounding boundaries but it's in fact a nowhere until we react with it. We give it meaning and it gives us a lot of meanings in return.
Tarek Al Sebaiy
What does "place" mean?
I would say that 'place' is roughly equivalent to the mathematical concept of 'point:' The difference lay in that points may be described only in terms of location or movement through time and space whereas 'place' carries a much wider range of possible conditioning. A place has a context beyond mere location including use, the perception of it by humans and associations made to and with a 'place.' A place also exists over time and changes which mathematical points can not by definition.

Lingusitically, I think the concept of 'place' and 'point' are one of the cognitive gateways between linear and spatial logical systems. Gateway terms often 'import' conceptual assumptions from one to other linguistic systems in approaching philosophic archetypes.
Anthony Stewart
What does "place" mean?
Try "Point, Line and Plane": Point is an undefined place, line is an undefined path between two undefined places and plane is an undefined area between two undefined lines which are not parallel. Zaha Hadid knows this. :)))
Frank John Snelling
What does "place" mean?
Place is limited by length and width and in contrast, space is formed by the four directions; place is sformed by physical directions, but space can be described by metaphysical directions.
Alireza Gholinejad
What does "place" mean?
salaam,

Also time is also a dimension:

Architecturally, may we not consider that buildings structure our time in much the same way as calendars do. Our use of buildings is set by their design which qualifies the order in which we do things in and with them, how quickly processes proceed or are hindered.

By including time context in our definition homes, buildings, villages, 'places' et al, take on special meanings as 'effective spaces.'

This affects the character of 'places' as the use/utility of the space become viewed from many different perspectives over time, regardless of who owns, organised or built the place.

Such is the problematic nature of definition as is evidenced by ongoing and worthy discussion about what constitutes 'Islamic' art, architecture, etcetera.

ma salemah!
Anthony Stewart
What does "place" mean?
Place means difference. Place means diversity. Because to define any place you are immediately assigning some quality which is uniquely different. :)))
Frank John Snelling
What does "place" mean?
Place, is what Architecture is all about - "Architecture is about people & their places". All architects, urban-planners are in course of trying to create places for people. Some succeed, and some are trying. This is because creating place is associated with humans. And the human-being is a very complicated organism to understand, perceive, experience and realize the cognitive system by which he negotiates with things. When & how does he feel; this is my place? It has to do with Anthropological, Cultural, Social Issues. This is the optimum in which we all seek to provide for people... A Place to Live, Work, Socialize and Interact with others...
Momen El-Husseiny
What does "place" mean?
Momen El-Husseiny,

well-said.
Sherman Damuag
What does "place" mean?
Place from platus, oh, this the origin of the *place*.

In Persian it means JA. "Ja" is a very important word in art and philosophy; it is not location or site.

PLACE IS IN OUR MIND.
PLACE IS ON OUR BODY.
Hamid Naserkhaki
What does "place" mean?
salaam,

I would like to address the issue of 'place' and 'point' purely in terms of Mosque design:

Qiblah is not a point, and I would also suggest that it is not a place. Yet, in addressing prayers toward Qibla, we are acknowledge that something special happened, at a particular place at a particular time and that this is an important part of our beliefs.

So, there are many aspects to a 'place' and 'point' besides their obvious definitions, and meanings beyond their mere connotations as well.

In Christian churches, it is presumed that one sits in a more or less traditional arrangement, facing an altar from which a minister will offer prayers, serrmons etcetera. During the ceremonies, all face the altar. But in Islam, there is no altar - nor is there really anyone to offer prayers for you besides yourself: This is very important difference in the two religious approaches. The issue of 'point' comes into play, as if there is no specific place to which one is supposed to offer prayers - the point resides in the centre of the space. Do you think that may be one of the reasons domes have become such a major element in Islamic architecture?

For me, understanding the function of 'point' lends itself more to inward/outward relationships, rather than top/down transactions.

The 'point' is intangible, recognizable by inference within the space, as different from being an end, or starting place within an architectural context.

The suggestion that it is the 'roundness' of space which defines the point, which becomes the focus of our attention is not unique to Muslims, but also found in many other cultures within religious contexts. Scholars may find a similar theme in traditional feng shui, where areas and buildings are designed with an eye to 'points' and the channelling of both utilitarian uses and spiritual energies. The Hopi Kiva and Sioux sweatlodge also come to mind.

I mention this merely to underline the unique elements that a 'point' brings to the discussion of architecture as opposed to a mere 'place.'

All architecture is meta-cultural communication, so I attribute great meaning to 'points' that exist, whether by deliberatation or accident as an essential element in this form of global communication.

In closing, I would suggest the idea that while 'places' may fall into disrepair, disrepute and destruction - points probably are not subject to the same vagaries of human condition.

ma salemah!
Anthony Stewart
What does "place" mean?
Place is defined by what it is as much as its relationship to its boundaries. This is opposed to space, which is defined strictly by its boundaries.

For something to be a place, there has to be a manifestation of a presence that that can be defined. A place does not have an owner, it has its own identity. It exists whether or not people experience it.
Stephanie Nicol
What does "place" mean?
salaam,

If there is a place in the woods, and no one knows about it - does it still exist?

In Islam, the concept of 'himas' as areas to be left alone would seem to argue that it is so. I would be interested in knowing more about such places as they may relate to the concept of 'deep ecology' in the west.

ma salemah!
Anthony Stewart
What does "place" mean?
Place... a LANDMARK in a LANDSCAPE. :)))
Frank John Snelling
What does "place" mean?
Actually Place in Persian means 'Makaan' too.
Thanks
Farnaz Pakdel
What does "place" mean?
I think the Persian "ja" is a very good word for describing "place". Because a place is not a point nor limited but it exists, because people want to. The ultimate place is an open space in a city, like a square. It is nothing, but creates opportunities. Opportunities for gathering, opportunities for being. A place is essentially social, people value the social function of it. Because of this value people want to keep the place, don��t put buildings on it. A place has got a long life, is almost eternal. A place is a "ja".
Ilse Sturkenboom
What does "place" mean?
Oh, I also wanted to respond to the qibla issue. Of course the qibla is a direction, but the thing showing nowadays what direction this is, the mihrab, is originally very much a point of focus. The first mihrab was built in the mosque of Medina exactly on the spot where the prophet used to stand while leading the prayer. This has been suggested by Sauvaget and later by Papadopoulo. A source tells us that the mosque built by Al Walid in Medina (707-709)on the place of the house of the prophet had the piece of wood, which the prophet was holding during leading the prayer, used in the mihrab. So this was exactly the point where the prophet used to stand. The first mihrabs were semi circular, so it leaves an open space in the wall. Also there was a half dome above this semi circular space. A dome accentuates the place underneath it, in this case the absence of the prophet.
Ilse Sturkenboom
What does "place" mean?
Thanks to all
Farnaz Pakdel
What does "place" mean?
Salam:
As somebody said, 'space' is only defined by its boundaries, while 'place' is defined further by its use, significance and relationship to humans, I think.
Mohamed Mwacharo
What does "place" mean?
Place is something which can only be explained with reference to something else, as in, we have to take support of something to expain it.
Raham Zeb
What does "place" mean?
In the movement every street and his road signs, and alive every place and the there his, if there the road sign is was cut from character of the street , so namethere of the place is was cut from his character, this says that there this place of certain rule included/at all principle by which people settle arrange to themselves life.
Atef Azaiza
What does "place" mean?
Place: a "distinction". The objective of designing is to make this PLACE into perfection. Generally it should contain something or should be distinct in character.
Rameez Salim
What does "place" mean?
Engraved and revealed to the beauty,
With few exceptions,
The hidden works,
A material,
Part of discourse generally,
And of the Sublime itself,
To place,
Meeting and matter, concern,
A place,
In the third grade in an,
Examination,
Especially that for a degree,
It'll,
First,
Where it forms part of a larger word,
And second,
Repeat,
Exactly what is needed or desired,
In truth.
Serdar Anlagan
What does "place" mean?
Place means space, virtually, mentally and physically considered by human beings; place means a place which can be made anywhere.
Hossein Estiri
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