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What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Hi guys!!!
I'am a 5th year student, i plan to do a dissertation on discipline in achitecture(in search of a discipline in architecture, if there is any), there are loads of questions in my mind about this..like (should there be a discipline in architecture or not, 'if yes' then what data is to be coded to attain that discipline.
Why are architects cursed all around the world, where do they go wrong(is it because their discipline is overshadowed by the so called 'fashion statement' which is achieved by sperimposing their own indivisualistic identites to achieve or make a mark on the society)....then the question arises, how do students interpret architecture after getting a degree in architecture, and do they posses the discipline to make their work legible in the society!!!...(i understand these are very unrefined thoughts and questions but i need to find what discipline is their in architecture and factors governs it...and how is this discipline dying in today's society...and if we are to attain this discipline what data in the architectural realm should we try and analyse and understand, since every architect has his own poetry to brag about...i want to find why are students and many architects don't have the requisite understanding of "PRODUCING ARCHITECTURE"...
Aditya Tognatta
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What's wrong with Architecture today??..
nothing.
Dushyant Nathwani
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
atleast read and the respond...plz...its a genuine request..
Aditya Tognatta
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
It is a very reasonable question. I think on average, there is too much ego in the design . Many cities, especially in developing countries look to me like an assembly of attempted landmarks. The result is very unpleasant.
There are not enough efforts to find affordable, comfortable, ecological and pleasant solutions for the bulk of buildings.
To make it simple and good is rather difficult and not so spectacular. But that is what is mostly needed. Even good detailing is often forgotten.
Norbert E. Wilhelm
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
is Architecture then a victim? or is it an accomplice to a dominant ego?
Jofer Magsi
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Man is practicing Architecture since it departed from Africa about some 60000 years ago and headed towards the other sides of the world given rise to civilizations and cultures so architecture is in the genetic code of human you can say.
The simple basic problem with todays architecture is that it has become a serious science whereas it is taken (taught and practiced) in arts capacity and architects basically hover around art side of and ignore the science part if it which actually is the main part. I think aesthetic side is basically the body or cover you can say.
With all due respect, a very vast majority of architects are extremely poor in Maths, Physics and chemistry and yet they are developing ecology which is a science.
You have to give a benefit of doubt to architecture as well because it is not very long since it has been institutionalized as a profession and I personally think it is in teething stage and will gradually improve.
Also check the discussion and do comment if you feel at the following link.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5883142909&topic=3611
Samar Salim
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
any serious designer knows that whatever happens or can be done under the name of design or architecture has no flows as the time dictates the manifest,and new wave shall either adopt or parish.....no philosophy or argument can change.....the change happens either when there is nothing wrong and new emerge or old parish and new emerge.....to me there is nothing wrong with architecture today.....we all sail in the flow in time and reach the destination.
Dushyant Nathwani
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
That�s a very orthodox commercial approach. When it comes to architecture, it is no more an individual event when you had ample amount of land and very less population in early 19th century. Everything a �serious designer� adds in the name of architecture today should know what he doing. Modern architecture is creating massive ecology in the name of art and design without calculating its pros and cons because they are not really trained to do so and they need to correct their course.
It is true that we are all sailing in the flow of time but we have the steering to the sail in our hands.
Samar Salim
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Nothing! But, one thing is, that there are not enough good architects, most are designers, somehow; the other thing is that you can not learn architecture at school (you might get tools to work with, but you can not learn how to be a genius).
Ben Huser
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Architecture is not longer what it was... we live in an increasingly litigious society where everything we do is scrutinised and because of the diverse nature of the profession, we are no longer "architect", but designer (architect means chief builder)...
Sonny Yip
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
hi aditya! as u mentioned abut the "DISCIPLINE IN ARCHITECTURE" i wud like to ask u first as to wat discipline means to you.....as u must hav seen till nw u must hav got varied responses on your post and all of them are different.......different people hav different views and points of criticism.. unlike earlier days tday ther is a lot of critique in architecture ,the critques dnt follow ny paticular trend or principles of criticism and hence ones architecture gets too much criticised having no limitations and so he feels hes not in the so called "DICIPLINE OF ARCHITECTURE"......so my question bak to u is wat according to you is tat disipline.....??
Taher Rangwala
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
really fascinated by views.....rejoinder to particularly to Ben and Sonny...to me design means INTENDED purpose,well genious design shall have ordinary purpose but strong/clear/total culminated technology at the moment serving that purpose,yes an architect is chief manifaster...thank you both for giving very ptecise but effective line to get clear vision.....regards.
Dushyant Nathwani
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Constucted projects last for many years, and centuries(except in Middle East where often they are town down in 20-25 years); however, the usage planning is for a much shorter period. The planning is driven by ROI, prestige, expediancy or other short term considerations with very little thought to adapability to the long term culture of history of the locale.
Shamsh Jaffer
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
hiiii,in my opinion architects today neglected to take into account the lives of people and their needs before embarking on the project.
Oumaima Abbass
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
It is we the architects are wrong and not architecture. And simple answer to why architects are cursed all around is that because we have stopped being sensitive enough. and after this so called 'DEVELOPMENT ', do we realize where we are heading?
Meehaj Thakkar
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
just a thought: the architecture today has set the precedent for tomorrow's architecture that will make no room for human frailty... no place for the unemployed, for the weak, for the elderly, for the not so pretty... until eventually, architecture will reject its own architect.
Jofer Magsi
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Aditya ...those (architects and architectural academics) with a big ego, those (architects and architectural academics) with an elitist agenda and those (architects and architectural academics) with political agendas; have dragged the name of architecture into the mud.

Architecture should be a branch of aesthetics and a way to enhance culture, whatever the culture and whatever the environment and whatever the climate.

The modern erection of buildings which either look like nothing on earth or look like post-disaster events is disrespectful of both the human culture and the people who have to put up with such monstrous ego trips.

And it this very undiscipline of thought in design which is killing the design of architecture as aesthetics.
Frank John Snelling
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
I agee very much with Frank
Norbert E. Wilhelm
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Norbert, Thank you very much for the endorsement. Out of curiosity, I have looked at your profile and notice you have connections with Darmstadt Technical University.

Professor Johan Eisele from Darmstadt heard the paper "The quality of difference" that I presented at Frei Otto`s IL conference on "Intelligence in Architecture" in Stuttgart in Nov 1993 and he wanted me to give a talk on similar lines to his students.

Footnote: I based my IL paper upon a draft of my trilogy "The infinite systems of aesthetics (c) 1993". My work remains unpublished, but at least I have tried to illuminate darkness.
Frank John Snelling
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
It warms my heart to see so many young people who recognize that academic architecture has lost much of its connection to human beings.

This was not always so - and is not always so even today. There are practitioners and voices - even in academia - who are trying to put the experience of human beings back into the design of buildings.

Some examples are the movement called Evidence Based Design. It has made much progress in health care environments since the 1970's - bringing features into hospitals etc. that include playgrounds in pediatric area for children, natural light and windows into hospital rooms - and warmer "home like" spaces.

These are things that any sensible person can see make "people feel better" but Evidence Based Design goes further and has conducted many studies that prove up the value of such features scientifically.

What is needed is a completely new paradigm in architecture and construction that goes even beyond this. Even those of us who are committed to sustainable, environmentally friendly structures often talk about the environment as though it is something separate from us.

It is not. We are made of the environment. We ARE the environment. The psychological, cultural and physiological being of human beings is a result of the environments in which we live.

Our very experience of reality is a result of how past environments have impacted the structure of our brains.

Our perception of reality is also a result of our interdependence with our environment.

You cannot be "green" in a real way until you include the experience of being human in your sustainability paradigm.

Think of other fields. You auto is designed with an eye for ergonomics - how your body fits the car. Your iPhone is built with a genius for how the human hand and eye and brain must cooperate.

Every good internet technology is highly focused on user interface and user experience - but what of architecture?

Where is the tailoring for the human? Where is the focus on emotional experience? Where is the real science - easily available in other field - that teaches architects how to design buildings that truly fit and nurture human beings?

It is not just about ego and money. There is also a missing point of view. In our firm - I say I am a "psychological/environmental tailor" because I purposely design structures meant to fit real people, real families, in exact ways.

It can be done - and I know because I have done it over a decade with a lot of success - not according to me - but according to my clients.

So what is missing is not the ability - but the focus and a philosophy that architecture should create structures that enhance human experience - and recognize our interdepence with other living things.
Christopher K. Travis
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Christopher, I agree with your post, but I would say that the ability to design is missing, because the focus is on students with egos being fawned on by elitist architectural academia.

Whereas, all architectural students should be taught the principles of design and aesthetics and then allowed to develop their own innate creative abilities, because if universities are not prepared to teach principles, then what reason do they have to exist?
Frank John Snelling
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
wow !pschological tailer made ,yes,it is a great craft and when adopted in architecture,it gives great feeling to user,snug and well fitted dress makes great personality,yes such architecture can have great depth form design as well esthetic point of view....nice approach but to me all architecture executed has pramoters and as shelter at that time and place has nothing wrong.....as always the beauty lies in the eyes of beholder.....the problem lies in the mind of observer....the thing manifasted has to be recognised till it is desolved....great views.
Dushyant Nathwani
What's wrong with Architecture today??..
Dushyant, This (debate) looks like developing into one upon the great fault lines in architecture.

On the one hand we have architects who design for people, culture and environment and on the other we have designers who do abstract, inhuman and thus inhumane designs based on ego.

Unfortunately, those who do ego driven designs find fame in the media because of the glitzy novelty factor, whereas, those who design for people, culture and environment are regarded by the media as artisans (hewers of wood and carriers of water) and not architects.

I would agree that some architects fawned upon by the media deserve the attention, but there are many others who disguise the emptyness of their work by using abstract design.

Soem years ago, Stewart Brand wrote a book called "How Buildings Learn" and put forward the idea that there is life in buildings after the original use falls into disuse and the building then takes on new life because it is gradually modified to suit a new use, or even several new uses. For me, this points to the fact that the original design probably survives modification and reuse because there are aesthetic elements which resonates with both the culture and the environmental context in which the building exists. The same cannot be said for a great many ego driven monsters which are compeletly devoid of humanity and environmental context.

Stewart Brand`s viewpoint was uniquely American, but it parallels my own work of "The infinite systems of aesthetics (c) 1993" and parallels my own philosophy for vernacular and aesthetic architecture which is designed for people, culture and environment.
Frank John Snelling
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