message_17351

Information Technology
 
IT and architectural information
Internet has certainly proved to be a revolutionary tool to change the face of architecture so drastically in recent years. Still the students, especially the ones in developing countries, where the net is not accessible on every individual's tea-table have perhaps not perceived the internet as an integral part of their education. Also, an electronic medium between the students and the profession is, perhaps, lacking.

Please send your opinions on how exactly the internet can help students in a better way. What, according to you, should have been the possible ways to put up informations on net so that they solve their actual purpose rather than simply being a book full of info to be mugged up or copied and pasted?
P Das
Responses
 
IT and architectural information
hallo prashatji,my pleasure to know your help to denish student about lorry baker.now let me put topic of IT,it is v.v.usefull to architecture in totality,regarding usefullmess to students,it is like one knows thumbnail scheses,rendering then can things done faster /better/and with dignity,the same way architect either practising/student has to learn tools of IT in such a way that he becomes much equiped.
Dushyant Nathwani
IT and architectural information
yes! internet can be used in a better way to process the informations we have. it seems we are completely unaware of the educational system of remote colleges and schools...
we require a common platform for students and professionals to come together and share the king of assignments they do...or exchange ideas about the thesis projects they are persuing...i have some more ides...i will let u know very soon.
Alex Mathew
IT and architectural information
Dear Prasahant, I agree with you that at the present, the internet is just have function as a reference book or at least to transform architectural data from a place to others. But we must remember that we learn by communication as a process of transformation of datas, and IT become a media. For students in a rural, that,s the taks for the teacher or lecture to more active in upgrading and colect the architectural knowledge from anyother place in the world using the internet (IT).........A very usefull of computer for architect is as a simulation media using 3D studio modeling, that's now very easy to make it on line.....Is there any better idea?
Ambar Mulyono, S.Sn., M.T
IT and architectural information
as a practising architect from india i happen to use internet as best medium to trancefer volumes of data generated to produce bld. at moretious ,it is up to user to deside what to get out of internet as medium.
Dushyant Nathwani
IT and architectural information
we have been using internet as a tool for discussion forums ...to discuss the philosophy and principles...why cannot we use it more objectively?....we can use internet that way....
another idea may be to have an interface webpages between professionals and students...for internships/small project assistances, academic researches etc.
ij fact this discussion forum can fetch u more ideas!!
Alex Mathew
IT and architectural information
Dear Prashant

A very interesting topic indeed. My two cents:

1. Creation of a link between professionals and students using IT for internships (mentoring by the professionals)

2. Generation and sharing of ideas within the student groups

3. Sharing of information as well as knowledge in multiple formats. For example, text, images, 3D models and videos.

4. I would like to emphasize the importance of the available text material as in these parts of the world, the availability and price of a book especially one about architecture are major concerns. That is why I would like to see more text and reference books made available in electronice forms to support the education needs of students.

5. Online tutorials and live discussion sessions with professionals/teachers/ scholars can also make a difference.
Zahara Khan
IT and architectural information
hallo,to all,v.intersting aspects opening up.part of suggetions are already provided by archnet,we need to learn to share from the portal.
Dushyant Nathwani
IT and architectural information
mr. nathwani,
zahara has cum up with really wonderful ideas.
and i welcome ur views abt archnet...it has certainly been the best nd perhaps the best anaged website for architectural communitry with zero bias.
we have so much of appreciatin for the way it has been managing the iformation.
can we hope for a chatting facility on it?
P Das
IT and architectural information
first of all,let me clerify my status,i am just archnet user as you all are,second archnet is defferant portal than others,they ask AOL specification from members ,so that they can chat,as archnet community i am happy to reach you,have nice time.
Dushyant Nathwani
IT and architectural information
Hi every one, very interesting topic, well the internet i agree is a tool that if used well can be of great importance today. in my practice am able to carry out sketch design for clients abroad and by use of CAD am able 2 interact with clients far off. This is a great edge the internet can have over the convetional way of exchanging data.
Apart from the NET being a big reference library for students, there r many online courses and discussion forums like Archnet in which Brains r sharpened.

Philip Kivunike
Philip Kivunike
IT and architectural information
hi, phillip.
i wd b intyerested in knowing some of such websites. pls send the url's if possible.
Alex Mathew
IT and architectural information
Hi, great to see this interesting topic reactualised in ArchNet.
I have contributed a set of links related to Virtual Design Studio concept in the collection of Web links within the Architectural Pedagogy and Andragogy group workspace.
Virtual Design Studio is one of the most exciting and innovative concepts in architectural education based on the Internet technology.
Mirjana Devetakovic Radojevic
IT and architectural information
Many thanks Ms. Radojevic for your contribution. The resources that you refer to and now available in Architectural Pedagogy and Andragogy are really useful and answer exactly the question posted here. I would add that one of the the great concrete examples too is archnet and its underlying modules: discussion forum, group work workspace, ...etc. It benefits students, academicians, practitioners, and the public. Another important issue is inclusivity; meaning engaging the entire spectrum of people in using "electronic communication" I believe the future is there. Perhaps, it will take sometime until people abandon old ways of communication that continued for centuries.
Ashraf Salama
IT and architectural information
i wd pull attention of the esteemed panelists to a slightly new but related topic...about the
computerised studio.

the concept of computerised studios, specially in a country like india is perhaps quite a new concept in architectural colleges.

lets visualize a design studio where apart from hard drawing board, each student has a state-of-the art personal computer on his/her desk, with internet able on it.
such a studio differs to the conventional system of studies in two aspects:

#1. it almost ignores the primarity of manual presentation on sheets done by
scribbling/drafting/using various innovative presentation schemes done by hand
#2. it opens the student to the vast world outside via internet, and hence enabling him to expose to the vibrant world of design outside.

we have started having classworks in which the problem (generally theoritical) is introduced in class and students search for relevant info on net, study them and then come with their own interpretation and ideas. this is similar to the "open book" examination held in IIT's and some
other institutions and is really interesting to do.
i believe, in west several institutions have similar studios. but at the same time i have also been told that the computers are not encouraged much in architectural education.

the system has its own pros and cons. i can summarize, upto my abilities the aspects as below:-

ADVANTAGES:

a. the drafting /presentation doesnot require as much effort as it did before to produce a decent, legible and comprehensive presentation, thus enabling student to invest energy in some relatively better way in concepts/designing than presentation.

b. the CAD enables a student visualise the spaces and geometry of space far more easily,comprehensively and accurately

c. though the designing now is not sans fatigue, it requires less physical energy that used to go waste in standing on the draughting table for hours

d. lots of other aspects of architecture can be integrated in the very initial stages of design relatively far easily viz. lighting, massing, sun angles, etc. with the help of softwares like lightscape /micro station etc.

e. on any design, be it a regular built environment or some weird concepts, the case studies thruout the globe can be studied, and witnessed in seconds, hence providing a wide spectrum of conceptual, aesthetic and technical paradigms.

DISADVANTAGES:
a. the danger of plagiarism is more, hence making the job of a teacher more difficult to asses the innovativity of a student.

b. with maturing hands on computer, even good manual designers loose their fascination of hand-drafted designs/views/sketches, which sometimes come out to be far more sensible than computerised ones.

c. the student is sometimes confused between producing a "good", proved design or an original,design with complete "ingenuity".

please send ur suggestions on:
1. what should be the exact design of such a studio
2. what system of teaching/ assesment should be adopted for the same
3. how exactly the concept of computerised studios in a college can be modified?
P Das
IT and architectural information
It has a lot more to speak for architectural education apart from the normal studio classes.
in fact, architects must be taught some programming skills so that they start equipping themselves for facing challenges before taking plunge into the world of Virtual reality.
normally we architects keep ourselves aloof from programming. most of the elderly people will find it rather difficult to accept as a visionary attempt to eaquip architects for survival in building virtual spaces.
as some of the colleges have started teaching "intelligent buildings" as an entirely distinct course...some must take initiative to teach programming with relevant languages (perhaps C++) to help them improve their hold in virtual reality. oe else, they will again become the digital-draftsmen of the programmers doing authentic 3D modelling on computer.
that they can very well create the soft-version of the digital built environment is an accepted truth now.
Alex Mathew
IT and architectural information
Hello everybody,
IT has the potential to change the face of architecture. I strongly advocate the use of information technology in architecture. I feel IT can help architects in following ways.
1. IT can provide a lot of organised information on your desktop. This will make the process of case studies faster and will increase the scope of research and analysis.
2. IT can act as a platform for innovation. The modelling facilities provided by CAD softwares are going to bring about a revolution in architecture. Take for example Frank Gehry's Guggenheim museum. It can not be even dreamt of without the help of IT. Moreover the power of computers to handle huge amount of data makes the design process a deterministic one.
One can actually see the buildings in virtual space before it comes to the real space.

3. Internet has given birth to team culture. This means that even for a small project a team of architects can work, thus adding more value to the project. By decentralising his work even a small architect cn increase his domain of work.

I believe that in future IT is going to bring a big package of benefits which we may not know today.
Nitesh Kumar Shrivastava
IT and architectural information
what a library can do for a student of architecture- interne can do almost everything of a library! (almost but not the all).
library sometimes fails to provide the information of very recent works of contemporary architecture, which internet can do well.
Prashant Das has already said a lot about the disadvantages of computer and internet for architecture.those r true.

technology is always good , if it is used effectively.in most of the architecture schools maximum students don't know how to use the internet properly for their references and help in their design studios.every school should hold semeners and discussions about the effective use of net for the students
Mohammad Tauheed
IT and architectural information
Hi All!

One important thing missing from architectural education (at least) in India is the development of the ability to think critically. Students are exposed to too few points of view, too few ideas. Thus, as Prashant says, project reports are mostly about cutting and pasting information from the internet, and even design projects frequently rely on borrowed ideas with little or no input from the student.

In such a scenario, a electronic mailing list could help greatly where contributions to a discussion group (like this one, and possibly with contributions from professionals) would be delivered directly to a students' mailbox. This would not only expose the student to different points of view on a topic, but also enable him/er to have an understanding of the pros and cons of various approaches and form an opinion. Students must be encouraged to contribute their ideas and questions on such a forum. Possibly they could also display samples of work, which would push them to produce better and more original work.

The other aspect is that of the technological developments in the field. Computer drawing and modelling been introduced into the curriculum in most places. However, while students all over the world use more or less the same software, it is the rendition techniques and tricks that produce the varying results. Over an electronic forum, it would be possible for students from different parts of the world to share tips (like photography groups do) which might be much more beneficial than the normative way computers are introduced into architectural education in some places.

My two cents, R.
Rachna Lévêque (née Gupta)
IT and architectural information
Hi all!
Electronic mailing list is a wonderful idea, but has limitations in its crude form. The biggest problem we face with such websites is that very few experts participate, probably because they are too busy to participate. Moreover, simply to come in a non-interactive discussion session might not be a much appealing idea for them. Very few website like this are actually able to pull attention of some members who are experts of their fields and want to share their wisdom. The rest visit whenever they feel the need.
Perhaps, an interactive session organized by the website organizers, in real-time could add wonderful scopes to the IT in architectural information.
Website such as www.3dbuzz.com are already functioning well for what rachna has successfully identified as a requirement.
...so, dear administrators, can we please expect an interactive session with some experts (like, say, william mitchell) on archnet?
P Das
IT and architectural information
Dear Prashant

If mailing lists between researchers and professionals were made accessible to students, it might not be so difficult to ensure participation.

However, one thing that does need to be overcome in most schools in India is the divide between 'student' and 'teacher'. How far IT can revolutionize this remains to be seen.

Regards,
Rachna Lévêque (née Gupta)
Search

Thumbnails
View

This site is adjusted only for landscape mode. Please rotate your device for properly using Archnet.org
We are sorry, we are still working on adjusting Archnet.org for Metro IE. Please use another browser for the best experience with our site.